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November 5, 2010


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Most of you saw the post I made yesterday regarding an incident where a transgendered DA user was essentially told to shut up or leave the site because they were unhappy with the "unspecified" gender option being removed and did not wish to choose "male" or "female".

Thanks to your feedback, the people in charge eventually put in some changes to bring back the "other" option. I've decided to go back to using it, myself. :heart: Although this problem has been upsetting for a lot of people, I think it's brought up some much needed discussion, and hopefully everyone- DA staff and users alike- have all learned something.

For example, based on how people reacted to it (or failed to react at all) I now know a bit more about my peers in this community.  Some of you really made me proud and stood up with well-spoken discussions. Some of you were very new to the subject of transphobia and made a sincere effort to educate yourself, which is really great!  And some of you made me cringe in disgust.

And some of you felt strongly enough about the issue to leave the site permanently. =(
I'm very sad to report that one of my best friends and webcomic creator peers, *Rosalarian, has decided to leave DA.  She made a post explaining why, and after reading it/speaking to her, I can understand her reasoning.

I, however, have decided to stay. Like anything in this world, Deviantart certainly has its flaws, and although the PR of the last incident could have been handled differently, I do appreciate that they eventually listened and made a change.  I do love this site, I love the community and the opportunities here!  I love my friends and followers.  But perhaps most importantly, I want to stay in case something like this pops up again.  

The trans community needs some high-profile allies here. (The same goes for any minority group who feels they are being ignored or mistreated.) And trust me, I will speak up for you.

Thank you for eventually listening, DA. And thank you, everyone who spoke up. Together, we made a small, but significant difference, and a step of progression. =)
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Miss-Mae Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm pleased to hear that you managed to evoke some change. Bravo! It's great that at least something was done. :)
gawaga Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2010
The more the marketing sector of DA is in control of options like this, and joyfully pops us into limited boxes for apparant ease of research, is actually hindering what they are trying to do in the first place.

Any programmer/designer should be ashamed of arguing about 'why bother'. Lazy A-holes.
RavaT Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2010
"ze" and "zir"... is there a "Pronunciation font" (sorry, dum dum me has no clue what the right term for that special font is... ) version of how to pronounce these?
Or a voice recording?

BTW, I found more infos here: [link]
scooby82101 Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2010  Hobbyist Writer
I'm glad that they changed the features...but it's quite sad that it only happened after people got angry. It's good to know that a lot of people have spoken...but still the mistakes shouldn't have been made.

The guy that acted so ignorant...people like him really need to open their eyes. -__-;

[link] I found this great pic...and it speaks volumes. I don't know if it's the same as the topic...but maybe. ^^;
BrittaniLuv Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2010  Professional Artist
Yay! I'm glad enough people got together to make DA listen!
Nekio15 Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2010
Nicely said and done, Yamino!

Personally, i consider everyone to be HUMAN first. Gender, rank or religion doesn't matter much to me, as long as you don't push it onto other people, like those horrid gay prides (no offense to those that enjoy those though). Something the Church/Islam needs to learn, stat.
ReiDavidson Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
I'm reconsidering my leaving since we've made a bigger impact than I thought we would. I honestly thought we'd be blown off.

I'm caught between "Oh hey look, DA is actually doing something and listening to specific pleas." and "Why did a good chunk of the community have to unite together and post repost and just generally throw a fit before they DID do something?"

If high profile users like you and ~rosalarian hadn't gotten involved would this have had the same result?

Or if the journal that started everything had not been linked as much?

Is DA sorry? Or sorry that we networked so well on the issue?

Will there be consequences for $realitysquared or the other snippy admins?

Is Megan right? Will we just keep having to deal with these issues? Or is it officially over?

it's a lot to think about. And part of me doesn't want to leave. I have been here for 7 years. No Really. I have submitted (get this) over 800 deviations in my time here. And its convenient to stay.

But, it was also convenient for $realitysquared to say "pick a gender or leave" then close the ticket. So I don't know if convenience is the answer here.

Lots to think about.

And by the way, `nokari obviously gets off on being devil's advocate and challenging people in their territory because that's how you get a horde of people arguing with you at once and thus get a lot of attention. So I'd do the opposite and ignore him. He just wanted everyone looking at him, metaphorically speaking, and he got it.
RavaT Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2010
In my book, dA should realize that :devrealitysquaredL did act wrong and apologise...

Or as I said on the other journal... [link]
ReiDavidson Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
I don't see another journal? D:
RavaT Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2010
Ups, wrong URL...
That one should do: [link]
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